[Rq-rules] Re: Farewell to Con and (other characteristics)

[Lev Lafayette]

--- Paul Cardwell <carpgachair at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- alan richards <alanjrichards at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > With the provisos that I've just read Sven's post
> > about this being an
> > ongoing debate, and the concrete expectation that
> > this is not going to meet
> > with universal agreement:
> > 
> > If I was going to add a characteristic it would be
> > (and in my houserules is)
> > PERception. I cannot see that this is adequately
> > modelled by any of the
> > current characteristics. I have read very cogent
> > arguments that AWAreness
> > would be a better name for this eighth
> > characteristic. But PER was what I
> > first used so it is what I will stick with.
> >  
> > If I was going to prune Characteristics then they
> > would be APP and SIZ.
> > 
> > In game terms APP (or CHA) seem to be a subset of
> > POW. This may not have
> > been the original intention but it is how it reads
> > to me. I see no reason to
> > attach a game score to the physical appearance a
> > player wants to attach to
> > their character.
> > 
> > Likewise STR can model SIZ quite nicely. In
> > non-magical beings a given STR
> > score requires a given minimum mass (SIZ). If a
> > player decides that their PC
> > is going to carry a few kilos of extra mass as
> fat,
> > or if I decide that my
> > NPC is going to be corpulent then that can go in
> the
> > character description
> > as well.
> > 
>  
> > As it is I have added PER and kept SIZ and CHA.
> > 
> > Al
> 
> I agree about APP.  As Gygax pointed out (and was
> immediately misinterpreted by game-bashers), some of
> the most charismatic individuals, good and bad, were
> hardly physically attractive.

Actually this is a point where I'm actually in
agreement with keeping CONstitution. I take the GURPS
argument that a healthy body is the default for an
attractive body (GURPS of course has "Sex Appeal" as a
skill). 

I also understand the argument about APP(eal) being a
subset of POW. People of great spirit tend to be
people who command personal magnetism (for better or
or for worse).

SIZ I would keep; there is substantial sexual
diamorphism in the species, let along between species
For example a 40 kg chimp is just a strong as 95 kg
human, if not more so. That said, they sink like a
stone...

Hmmm... Now you're making me think of combining APP
into POW and leaving CON as it is ;-)

> Just for the record, Mythworld uses strength,
> constitution, size, intelligence, mana, dexterity,
> trustworthiness, and sanity.  Perception is a
> secondary characteristic, based on INT and MNA and
> is
> a bonus to all sensory input skills.

How would this work for non-human and animal species
who have a low INT and low MNA?

All the best,


Lev


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time 
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news